“What would constitute an adequate proof, to you, for the existence of God?” It’s a common question on the tip of many a Christian’s tongue when confronted with skepticism regarding their theistic worldview, yes? Responses from skeptics generally revolve around some kind of convincing display(s) of ‘miraculous’ interventions, or other manifestations i.e. events beyond the generally accepted, deterministic norms of the most current naturalistic paradigm, and supported by scientific methodology such as observation, controlled testing, repeatability and the like. Christians counter such requirements on several fronts. Some of the more common responses are:
God exists in a supernatural realm beyond our means of investigation.
Many, if not most, real events are neither observable nor repeatable, such as Julius Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon.
There is no clear distinction between natural and so-called supernatural events,
All so-called ‘proof’ has a subjective element, so there’s really no such thing as absolute proof for ANYTHING. Everything is a matter of belief to some degree, from gods to puppy dogs.
God purposefully confounds any naturally-based investigations aimed His way-to test the saints, to get people to concentrate more on the ‘spiritual’ side of their lives, or simply because he likes rubbing skeptics’ noses in their own limitations.
Of course, all these arguments would work equally well in defending claims which are held to be patently untrue by the huge majority of human beings alive today, from the existence of leprechauns, to Richard Dawkin’s Flying Spaghetti Monster. Within the mental space of all hypothesized possibilities, all things are possible. We could argue all day (and many people do) about the details of what constitutes proof, or evidence, or even what might be more likely amongst competing premises. But these sorts of conversations rarely lead anywhere productive. I’ve always believed that constructive dialogue has to proceed from commonly accepted experiential ground; otherwise, things are destined to spiral downward into fruitless contests comprised of words about words, and nothing more. Perhaps not so surprisingly, many apologists I’ve read and interacted with seem right at home in these muddy waters, where every otherwise assumed factually oriented statement is punctuated by an epistemic question mark. It’s always frustrating; and, more to the point, fruitless when it comes to ascertaining where the truth actually lies. Argument for arguments sake, is the way I see it.
However, for argument’s sake I’m willing to concede, for the purposes of this series, to the apologist’s gambit that all statements of fact, or proofs, are actually merely opinions to one extent or another. What I’m not willing to entertain is the idea that all opinions are of equal value, or veracity. Most apologists I know would agree with this, EXCEPT when it comes to seriously weighing the evidence supporting their own theistic worldviews...especially as the field of inquiry narrows in on the particulars of their own more-or-less distinct religious beliefs. When that happens, suddenly the common-sense practice we use everyday in the weighing of evidences goes out the window, and the investigative bar is lowered to what amounts to “Your proofs are as crappy as ours, so we’ll stick to the convictions that make us comfortable, thank you very much!”
When I say common-sense practices, I’m generally challenged as to what the term ‘common-sense’ might entail; and that, indeed, common-sense is not nearly so common as I might imply. Furthermore, I seem to be hung on my own petard philosophically speaking since, as an atheist, the things I believe concerning the alleged existence of certain deities are quite UNcommon amongst the world’s populace. Fair enough. My rebuttal is that there are, indeed, areas of life in which our normative habits of investigating reality are thrown out the window. There are psychological reasons for why this is so, but I don’t intend to go into them here. Instead, I’d like to demonstrate, by a series of hypothetical examples, just how common-sense inquiry naturally proceeds, and how the processing of this inquiry leads to what we call ‘belief’. I’ll also take a stab at differentiating between the notion of ‘belief’ and ‘fact’; and while from a purely epistemic position this appears to be a hopeless case, it is a ‘fact’ that we draw such distinctions all the time, and that, indeed, religion is not immune from the same sorts of questions and judgments that we make from moment to moment in our everyday lives.
What is absolutely amusing is that these same people who claim that they need proper and precise guidelines for evidence a skeptic might be convinced generally have accepted parameters for this in every other aspect of life. I find it quite odd that because it deals with the "supernatural" that the definition necessarily changes for them.
ReplyDeleteThere are many distinctions that need to be made when discussing religion, unfortunately. 'Faith v. Hope' (that is one, as you've probably seen, where I find it necessary to distinguish, and as I speak more on it, the more precise this definition becomes). Belief v Fact (as you've mentioned). Those two are the 'main' distinctions to be made, I think.
However, you may say that there's no significant difference between hope and faith. Or, many would say that, in any case. Part of the distinction between those two words, I think, are that one implies confidence in ones beliefs and a desire to argue for this position. Mere Hope doesn't allow for one to argue in favor of ones position because of an already accepted unlikelihood of it being (or becoming) reality. An apologist can't have mere Hope, by this definition. Nor can anyone who actively participates in argument for the supernatural.
On another note, the reason I think that they may feel at home in the muddied world of constantly arguing over definitions, is that it prevents the discussion from fully dissecting their worldview. Almost as if it were a defense mechanism set in place at a young age to prevent them from using their rational faculties satisfactorily.
Look forward to future posts on the matter.
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ReplyDeleteI haven't really formulated the examples to my satisfaction as yet. Not quite sure where I'll be going with this, though I imagine it'll be somewhere...hehehe!
Might faith be belief in hope? 'Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'. A sort of whistling in the dark? "I just know things'll turn out right!"
"On another note, the reason I think that they may feel at home in the muddied world of constantly arguing over definitions, is that it prevents the discussion from fully dissecting their worldview."
This is dead on, I think. God is definitionally inserted into an unassailable epistemic position for precisely the reason you've outlined. It's the theistic hidey-hole, meant to defend against rational inquiry.
As far as a definition for supernatural, I'd consider it to be anything that supersedes, circumvents, or otherwise usurps the natural change of cause and effect that defines transitions from one state to the next. One might quibble regarding quantum indeterminism, of course, and I have a couple of thoughts on that. First of all, the jury is still out as far as hidden causal variables are concerned. Secondly, even if quantum hiccups are truly divorced from the causal flow, being true spontaneous uprisings, at best these designate the sub-stratum of causality itself, and it seems that any fluctuations are smoothed out in the macro-states. It's a red herring, IMO.
ReplyDeleteBeing more specific, show me a truly observable interference coming from outside causation, and I'll accept that as falling within the parameters of a supernatural event. Overlays won't do.
It is very much the same--belief in hope and faith--however, I was only going for simple hope (hope, even in knowing that things are probably not going to turn out a certain way). An example would be that a person hopes to attain a status among scientists as being a bit of a revolutionary knowing that this is not only extremely difficult to achieve but also extremely unlikely. Yet, this person with this hope still attempts to achieve it.
ReplyDeleteThe key difference between these two, in certain cases (and I think people misuse the words entirely too often to the point the original connotations are lost on us), is the level of confidence in the event following. A theist is, to a high degree, confident in the existence of God and this confidence is warrantless. However, someone can say that they think it unlikely (to whatever degree and measure) that there exists this God, but still hope for the existence.
In the latter of cases, a person doesn't have a concrete belief that can't be changed or influenced and doesn't have that hope "controlling" every other aspect of their lives. The former of cases necessarily has this belief "controlling" their lives, in my opinion.
I was never fond of indeterminism myself. Of course, I can't offer you any of my thoughts on the matter because I haven't delved very far into it (my brief reading on it, very brief, distinguished my interest). Other than that: I agree with the definition of supernatural and with the "requirement" for evidence.